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jenni_b
#1 Posted : Friday, July 08, 2011 9:00:55 PM Quote
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hi
Just had horrid day filling in forms and having horrible calls with horrible local education authority (lea) and local authorities (LAs) who will not help us or the children.
Basically we have 4 key areas we are trying for.

1) those damned LA files on the children still withheld we have little choice but to continue trying for these. had to speak to the most obstructive nasty sw's who accuse us of being "anti birth family" and are very prickly indeed- still no access to information almost 10 yrs into adoption... they dont tell you THAT on adoption week on the TV do they?!
2) sendist appeal for special needs statement for Our daughter with severe emotional problems and Autism amongst other things. She lives in a highly specialist unit for young ladies with trauma and mental health issues. Lea made it clear we can go for mediation and we won't achieve a thing as lea position remains the same ie they wont even agree to assess for statement! Adamant Gems educational needs are mainstream!! Not being horrid to her but you could drag anyone in off the street who would tell you that she clearly has very special needs! (she is so beautiful my lovely lovely girl but clearly struggles with life bless her) This is despite all the reports the therapeutic community she lives in have sent. The LEA will fight over this, then if we win ( I can't see how we'd loose the reports are so strongly in our favour) we will face the reality of then their in house assessors not agreeing with the therapeutic community expert reports. Another appeal. Then they may well choose not to statement even with this assessment. Another fight/ appeal. Then we get statement. They will automatically suggest a school on county turf and we will have to argue the therapeutic community is the only provision to meet her needs. I asked if designed to put off people off....! They didnt like that much....
3) Michaels high functioning asbergers assessment as Camhs will not accept that you can have asbergers if you have attachment disorder/ trauma. They have at least agreed to write to the gp and explain that they won't assess and their reasons. We have been to see the paediatricians. they tell us its down to camhs who refuse to assess. So we go round and round and round.
Oh and 4) local government ombudsman over no post adoption support and damages to children prior to adoption. Last stages now.

I am wondering about the sendist appeal and if, in all honesty, I can face this. I feel I am failing Gem But cannot see a statement can be achieved without 2 yrs if horrid appeals against lea in 2 yrs she will be 16 and not sure what value statements have post 16. Also, if the tc can keep her there she can access their schooling as she currently is. Trouble comes if she has to move there is noprotection for her educational need. Is there anyway of avoiding the hell of sen appeals? Can you buy a private statement? She has all the assessments already done.
Oh I have started to cry again. can't face the liars any more I know we must tackle the sharks at the la over the files but would i be neglecting Gem by not having appealed?

The RA is so bad but I have been up working from 9am til 7pm every day, propped up on the computer and getting my helpers to do the photocopies while I write emails and things.

This is definately a post for the steam room!

Jenni xx

PS. 2 positives- Building work is coming on nicely and the WAV should be here by the end of the month!
PPS. 1 more- I am a mummy.... and I love them all xxx
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Anne-P
#2 Posted : Friday, July 08, 2011 9:41:26 PM Quote
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Hi Jenni

No wonder you are under a mountain of paperwork. We had to do statements for my middle daughter and I used to be a parent support person to help other people get statements!!! Winchester used to have a Parent Partnership scheme which would provide someone to help - not sure if it is still running but it may be on the website. I sympathise - it is very hard work.

I don't think you can do it privately as it is an LEA thing. At one time I was on the advisory committee for Hampshire CC for visually impaired children. One thing about the statements etc that I learned from the inside is that although a Statement is meant to be a 'statement of Educational need' the reality is that they a budget driven, so you often don't get what you want because of money. This is not how they should be and you can remind the department that it is on the educational need not the departments budget!! One of my friends managed to get out of county provision by keeping on badging them non-stop. She had to go to appeal as well and explain why is was important. I gather Gem is in the place you want her to stay in.

As a parent you used to be able to write and ask for a statement of educational needs. If you asked they HAD to assess for one (not actually do one - but they usually did). Also the educational establishment they are in can ask for an assessment (again they used to be obliged to look into it). You would need to send off lots of evidence with your letter which it sounds like you are doing. The first statement we had for our daughter was instigated by her prospective infant school head and was done in 4 months!! She wouldn't take her without a statement in place, and was good at chasing up the LEA.

1. keep going with all the forms and getting them in (esp for Gem as she's still under 16)
2. phone once a week to ask how they are getting on (as you keep phoning your paperwork keeps getting put to the top of the pile and in the end they get on with it quicker to shut you up!!) .... this worked quite well for us. But it is tedious and stressful doing it.. but worth it. Remind them it should be educational driven not money driven.
3. Go to appeal if necessary (which is often is) and watch out carefully for all the dates so you dont miss them.
4. if you've got a good educational psychologist who agrees with what you are wanting, ask them nicely to phone and chivvy things along as well once all the documents and evidence are in. If a statement is agreed, they would have to do a comprehensive report anyway.
5. Does one of the support groups for Gem have an statementing advisor who could help you? I know the RNIB and Look (which is for blind and the visually impaired do - which we used in the passed). They know all the ropes!
6. Any meetings - take someone with you for support for yourself - someone who knows all the details.

For Michael, it is a rather different system when they get to college age and it comes under a different department, and I'm not sure how the system works there, but it is more based on the college they go to. And they have to set up all the help. Some colleges have a special department that will help with all the form filling and providing the extra support. I know certain colleges in the area specialise in different 'disorders' eg for the blind, there are only 2 places in hampshire that cater for them... but they do provide free transport as a result.

My experience is with visually impaired children. Dont most people end up going to appeal, that's normal so don't worry about that.

Remember you can only try. Don't feel bad, you are doing your best for them both. Make the phone calls in the mornings, when you are probably at your best, and the LEA workers are usually in a better mood!!

I don't know about getting adoption details, that's not my experience but someone else on here may know about that.

I'll send you a private message on facebook with my home telephone number. I go away next Friday for a week but am around until then (well in and out!!).

Have a big hug
Anne xxx

(haven't checked this for spellings but I hope you get the general sense!!)






jenni_b
#3 Posted : Sunday, July 10, 2011 1:53:53 PM Quote
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Thanks Anne I have replied on facebook. I think I'm going to have to try and battle choose.

Right now I'm resting having had a day off from the forms yesterday and a lovely day at marwell zoo with the family.
That new power chair is working fine now. It really is the bees knees!

Jenni xx
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RCampbell
#4 Posted : Sunday, July 10, 2011 6:39:52 PM Quote
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Jenni, I've just read your Post and an appalled at the treatment you are receiving from officialdom. I wonder if all these 'experts have any idea what it is to have the problems Gems has. I wonder more if anyone can understand what it means and what it takes to foster a child as troubled as Gems has been. Are they aware that by not making a decision, they are forcing you into a state which is injurious to your health - even if you didn't have RA. Do they also realise that the stress they are putting you and the family under are causing grief and stress and that it has a detrimental effect on your
RA.

If I could have 5 minutes in a locked room with these slobs who are denying you and your family what you are entitled to by way of support, I'd feel better for your sake. I'm so sorry I can do nothing other than to voice my support for you, Richard, Michael and, Gemma and Bernice. Like Jean, I will pray for you all.

Bob x
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sheila_G
#5 Posted : Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:35:29 PM Quote
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I can't add anything to what Bob said but I agree entirely. There is no thought or compassion in any of the decisions they make. Always in my prayers.

Sheila x
Rose-B
#6 Posted : Monday, July 11, 2011 12:44:06 PM Quote
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Totally agree.

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Julia17
#7 Posted : Monday, July 11, 2011 2:33:54 PM Quote
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Hi Jenni

I am totally lost for words, I honestly can t believe you could be treated like this, it is absolutely appalling.

Fortunately Bobs post has summed it all for me.


Thinking of you, Julia x
BarbieGirl
#8 Posted : Monday, July 11, 2011 8:52:00 PM Quote
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Jenni, as above!! what do you need to do to get the support needed for your children???? i am so sorry you have to go through this, it is certainly going to put more pressure on your health.
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